-= GB64 Forum =-

Neo-Rio wrote:

Paul Irvine wrote: Comes across as "it's my ball and I won't let you play with it".

Exactly.

Whether he's right or wrong about this, well --- nobody is going to care now, because of the attitude we all copped.

Once people "spit their dummy" and delve into personal attacks, people just switch off, and once people switch off, and you can be right, factually and logically correct and everything -- but no-one will bother to listen.

A shame really

It is.....But self generated...

yeah i got a rough idea how long it took gb64 to be released, i remember downloading the blast collection from arnold many years ago to use with the original gamebase64 v1.0 to 1.3

i've also contributed to the gb64 project with a few things: the original disk images of space rogue, disk images of tmnt the arcade game, original tap images etc...

like i said in my previous post i've made my own gamebases, and have many in various unfinished states, but are unfinished because i'm a stickler for details, instead of just adding the game i like the rom/disk images to be named properly, coverscans, cart scans and any other details i can, so i guess you can say i am very well aware of the time and effort that goes into making a complete gamebase, hell it took me 3 years to create a full sega megadrive gamebase, but i don't view it as completely finished as i'm always adding coverscans, docs, adverts and stuff to it when the mood strikes me, maybe someday i'll be satisfied enough with it

maybe instead of releasing unfinished atari 800 gamebases, release a good quality gb800 with 100 or so all time great games, then add to it later, instead of having a gb with over 1000 games then cleaning up later, i'd rather add one game at a time with scans etc than have to sift through 1000's of games tidying up, this is just my opinion tho and you're welcome to tell me to f**k off

Paul Irvine wrote:I salute all the GB makers, it's a darn sight more work than people realise. See how far down the line you can get for entering all the fields out of 4000+ games before you start to HATE it

GB20 currently has just over 1,400 entries... and I'm doing the current version by myself. Mmmm fun...!

Personally I can see both sides of the coin here. There's a great volume of information about C64 cartridges on my site that is open for people to use. Some people have asked to use images or dumps from there for various reasons. Others have just taken them and not asked or even credited me for doing the work (I know this because I've spotted telltale signs in some of the files in question). Generally I prefer the former... unless it's something obviously illegal (like selling them) I will usually say yes, but it's nice to be contacted and asked for use.

v0.1 of GB20 was a mess, it sounds like it was in the same state the 800 version is here. A lot of games but very little information. I've filled out everything I can find along the way for all the games, added more than 300 myself (many bought from my own pocket), asked people to try and fix all the games I've found to be faulty (yes, I've play tested every single one) and made a ton of scans of boxes, inlays and instructions. v0.2 is going to rock (I hope) once it is out there, but I do expect any thanks? Well, some back from people would be nice...

I can see Atarimania's frustration in a way, here's a database that is just sorely lacking in information and yet most of it is available out there to be added if someone was to spend the time doing it. That's partly why I took the GB20 project on, because I'm a fussy, perfectionist bastard who likes to see things done correctly

If I was doing the 800 version I would ask for use on the images from the site out of politeness. I'd hope the answer would be yes. To be fair if the answer was no I'd probably take them anyways

I'd do all the screenshots myself though... it's part way to ensure that the game works because you're the one actually playing it. Mind you I've found a few games for the Vic20 that work fine in Vice but refuse to boot in Gamebase. Most peculiar, trying to figure that one out (and it's nothing to do with the GEMUS script either).

A lot of the filenames are all over the place still because of what I inherited. I've worked around it. First thing I'm doing when starting on v0.3 will be renaming everything properly and fully in all categories (games, images, screenshots etc). Oh joyous wonder

Ok, let's all please stop the personal attacks, digs, etc. It isn't serving the Atari community at all.

First, I apologize if I offended anybody. I intended only to discuss a few points, not to tick anybody off.

That being said, what we ALL would really like is a high quality Atari 800 Gamebase. Why don't we take what is already done and simply add to it? Does it all have to be 'high quality' from scratch to satisfy everybody? Can't it be built and improved from where it's at?

Hmmm... how about some kind of 'live' GB800 that updates from atarimania.com (and maybe other quality sources) as needed and gives prominent credit to the site's authors as it does so? Would this be feasible? Desirable? Just a thought, but it would be cool if we could pull it off.

-Patch

Patch61 wrote: That being said, what we ALL would really like is a high quality Atari 800 Gamebase. Why don't we take what is already done and simply add to it? Does it all have to be 'high quality' from scratch to satisfy everybody? Can't it be built and improved from where it's at?

Totally agree... which is why I couldn't understand the hissy-fit.

Still, probably should have asked permission for the scans.
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.

Neo-Rio wrote:

Patch61 wrote: That being said, what we ALL would really like is a high quality Atari 800 Gamebase. Why don't we take what is already done and simply add to it? Does it all have to be 'high quality' from scratch to satisfy everybody? Can't it be built and improved from where it's at?

Totally agree... which is why I couldn't understand the hissy-fit.

Still, probably should have asked permission for the scans.
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.

Yes, he should have asked BUT he would have been turned down anyway.

Reasoning, database not up to Atarimania high standards and person doing the database not 'Atari enough'. Slightly disappointing viewpoint in my estimation.

My look out is this, how many people who are suitably minded and have the data needed have written a database out of all us really dedicated Atarians...Answer NONE.

In all this time there's not been a single go, it's not a bad thing it just never happened until Mike took up the challenge and I applaud him for it.

The details will come in time...For some, that is back to front but it's better than no DB at all.

Paul Irvine wrote:The details will come in time...For some, that is back to front but it's better than no DB at all.

Here! Here! I couldn't agree more.

So, I am asking very nicely...

Atari-Frog, may we PLEASE have your blessing to use aome of the atari game related items from your site to improve the quality of GB800 (with appropriate kudos to you and your site, of course)?

-Patch

i kinda agree with atarimania... even though i love gamebase, i just think that the amount of time that froggie has put in should not be taken for granted. we might never have had such a collection but for hiim. so be a little nice to him. no one is talking abt copyright. its about the existance of the collection of images etc which came into the cYBER woRld due to frog.

Version 5 of the Gamebase is here containing 5000 records

here are the links:-

http://www.sendspace.com/file/w3640x

for the main database

http://www.sendspace.com/file/td546r

for the extras pt1

http://www.sendspace.com/file/qo49bu

For extras PT2

i am getting this now, before all hell breaks loose.

Glad to see you wern't put off maintaining the GameBase.
Excellent work as always.

.mad. wrote:i am getting this now, before all hell breaks loose.

Glad to see you wern't put off maintaining the GameBase.
Excellent work as always.

Yep, mega thanks for the update...

All hell won't break loose as he's done nothing wrong as far as I can see.

Just had a quick look (downloads are slow from that place) and it's a superb update. Thanks for the sterling hard work on the DB.

Only one thing, says its missing an advert from the extra's (2369 Quasimodo) but there isn't an advert folder or a jpg to match it in the db?

Cheers and thanks again!!!

Version 5, Thanks!! keep up the great work!!!

[... hell it took me 3 years to create a full sega megadrive gamebase, but i don't view it as completely finished as i'm always adding coverscans, docs, adverts and stuff to it when the mood strikes me, maybe someday i'll be satisfied enough with it ]

Hey, sounds great. When can we expect the megadrive Gamebase? I hope You´ll publish it

jokerandi wrote:[... hell it took me 3 years to create a full sega megadrive gamebase, but i don't view it as completely finished as i'm always adding coverscans, docs, adverts and stuff to it when the mood strikes me, maybe someday i'll be satisfied enough with it ]

Hey, sounds great. When can we expect the megadrive Gamebase? I hope You´ll publish it

i've uploaded the gb to rapidshare, check the megadrive thread for links